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01/06/2014 07:13:18
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buddyplot
Joined: 24/05/2014 11:18:03
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Hi,
I just searched for the city "Schlagwitz" in Germany and noticed something odd. There are two entries that does not look right to me and my hunch tells me that one of these are wrong and should be deleted.
If you look at the history for both of them:
http://www.geonames.org/2838945/schlagwitz.html
http://www.geonames.org/2838946/schlagwitz.html
You will find it is the same user "nga" who last touched both cities, and last modification timestamps are almost identical:
2838945 history: 2012-09-06 10:53:25.739
2838946 history: 2012-09-06 10:53:25.883
Being that fast to modify two cities, could lead one to think that "nga" is a bot or an extremely fast person on the keyboard.
The distance between these to entries are less than 10 km apart:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/51.23188,+13.05974/51.18287,+13.09577/@51.1791212,13.0441951,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m9!4m8!1m3!2m2!1d13.05974!2d51.23188!1m3!2m2!1d13.09577!2d51.18287
Can someone verify whether:
a) is user "nga" a bot?
b) is one of these entries incorrect and should be deleted and if this is indeed true
c) which one is correct?
Thanks.
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01/06/2014 07:17:13
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marc
Joined: 08/12/2005 07:39:47
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both entries look correct to me.
nga stands for 'national geospatial intelligence agency' and is the US army. It is a monthly update job with data from the nga. The German government has not yet releases any open geo data and we have to use US data instead. It will hopefully change soon, since Germany is the last larger European country which does not publish open official data, the German parliament has decided last year to change this, but so far nothing has happened.
Marc
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14/06/2020 23:57:26
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hailang
Joined: 14/06/2020 17:59:13
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Good day,
Thanks a lot for the effort to maintain the site and provide data for free.
Some how data from nga make multiple names below incorrect, even with English name. As my account not yet have needed level to edit, could you please help to revert the change for them? (Note: there are more incorrect names but I not yet have time now to list them)
And if possible, thee last changes need to be reversed to make names consistent.
Thank you for your attention.
https://www.geonames.org/1580541/
5 2020-06-09 22:59:59.987 nga name:Hội An>Feifu
https://www.geonames.org/1591538/
3 2020-06-09 23:10:29.201 nga name:Bắc Kạn>Bak Kan
https://www.geonames.org/1591474/
3 2020-06-09 23:10:22.617 nga name:Bạc Liêu>Bak Lieu
https://www.geonames.org/1591449/
3 2020-06-09 23:10:20.446 nga name:Bắc Ninh>Bak Ninh
https://www.geonames.org/1587923/
3 2020-06-09 23:07:06.592 nga name:Biên Hòa>Bia Hoa
https://www.geonames.org/1585660/
1 2013-05-07 09:51:08.016 nga name:Châu Ðốc>Cho Dok
https://www.geonames.org/1583992/
6 2013-08-09 19:24:29.502 bbc name:Turan>Da Nang
5 2011-03-06 09:52:35.307 nga name:Ðà Nẵng>Turan altnames:[Да Нанг Đà Nẵng 岘港 xian gang Danang danan 峴港 ダナン]
https://www.geonames.org/1582436/
3 2014-06-04 21:06:23.359 nga name:Dồng Xoài>Don Luan movement 3.646 km
https://www.geonames.org/1581047/
3 2020-06-09 23:00:33.78 nga name:Hà Tĩnh>Ha Tin
https://www.geonames.org/1581326/
4 2020-06-09 23:00:44.368 nga name:Hải Dương>Hai dzung
https://www.geonames.org/1580830/
3 2020-06-09 23:00:23.057 nga name:Hòa Bình>Hoa Bin
https://www.geonames.org/1580410/
6 2020-06-09 22:59:48.033 nga name:Hạ Long>Hon Goi
https://www.geonames.org/1580142/
2 2020-06-09 22:59:40.1 nga name:Hưng Yên>Hong-Yen
https://www.geonames.org/1583477/
5 2013-06-29 19:50:12.815 denis.arnaud name:Ðiện Biên Phủ>Dien Bien Phu
https://www.geonames.org/1581130/
12 2013-07-01 11:37:45.046 denis.arnaud name:Hà Nội>Hanoi
https://www.geonames.org/1566083/
22 2013-06-29 23:31:05.909 denis.arnaud name:Thành phố Hồ Chí Minh>Ho Chi Minh City
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17/06/2020 22:22:52
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marc
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The Hoi An change to Feifu looks wrong. The others look ok. The main name is an internationally used name, not the local name. Internationally users prefer to have the variant without accents or diacritics.
Best Regards
Marc
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18/06/2020 19:44:24
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hailang
Joined: 14/06/2020 17:59:13
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Thank you for providing the point of view about international name.
Follow the line, internationally users prefer to have the variant without accents or diacritics. Then the names should be as little variant as possible. So the names mentioned in previous post should be as below, not as what they are now, which may bey the way someone is pronouncing them.
I would like to provide another point of view. The purpose of information system is to help people to understand more about a thing, this case is a place. Then the name should be local one so that people can recognize that thing/place when they see the name again. If they want to know about international name or how to pronounce it, they can choose the place to see detail, which geonames system is doing great. The good example for this purpose is the https://www.openstreetmap.org/ site.
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Local name Should be Not as now
Hội An Hoi An Feifu
Bắc Kạn Bac Kan Bak Kan
Bạc Liêu Bac Lieu Bak Lieu
Bắc Ninh Bac Ninh Bak Ninh
Biên Hòa Bien Hoa Bia Hoa
Châu Ðốc Chau Doc Cho Dok
Ðà Nẵng Da Nang Turan
Dồng Xoài Dong Xoai Don Luan
Hà Tĩnh Ha Tinh Ha Tin
Hải Dương Hai Duong Hai dzung
Hòa Bình Hoa Binh Hoa Bin
Hạ Long Ha Long Hon Goi
Hưng Yên Hung Yen Hong-Yen
Great day to you,
Hai Lang
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